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Relationship/opinions. Tell me how you really feel, Cesare.

MY FIRST RESPONSE GOT DELETED BY A BLOWN FUSE BUT GODDAMNIT I AM GOING TO RESPOND TO AT LEAST ONE OF THESE BEFORE WORK.

So Cesare always thought Natsumi was attractive, he just wasn't always... attracted to her? I guess might be the best way to say this? I think their first thread was a mind-reading one where his thought that she heard was that he thought she was attractive. Not like beautiful or gorgeous or sexy, just yeah. Anyway, that was supposed to be a joke, I swear. >_>

I'm not sure why they started building proper CR, though I suspect on an OOC note I think it was about this time that I realized that most of Cesare's CR in Camp was male and I wanted to fix that. And I don't know what it was about Cesare that clicked on Natsumi's end, but I know that on his one of the things he liked was that she was willing to listen when he wanted to explain how his point of view was different and she was willing to make the effort to understand.

That's what he's told people, actually, the few times he's been asked why he likes her (whether or not they know who she actually is). I forget who this thread was with, but his answer was that she understands more than he thought possible. What he means by that is that she is open to new ideas and different interpretations, even if she doesn't always agree or fully get it. He wouldn't want her to always agree with him, anyway. That's not interesting! He likes that they don't always see eye to eye and even more than that he likes that she doesn't invalidate his opinions. One of the problems he runs into (both in canon and Camp) is that what he believes doesn't line up with what the majority opinion is and people argue that he's wrong. Not just that they disagree but that he is wrong, 100%, and once that comes up it's a brick wall. For all of Cesare's issues, he's very good about relativism. It doesn't matter to him if you don't agree with what he thinks is right--just as long as you accept that he might be right just as you might be right. He really appreciates that Natsumi has never tried to make him feel invalidated, even though they've argued over some potentially hot-button topics.

That's actually the biggest thing here. :|b He respects her a lot for it and it made him feel closer to her. But the Tsukasa thing is also interesting, so I'll talk about that too.

Tsukasa's behavior helped in that it was pretty much fit the mould of "what you do not do with the lady you like". Cesare's from a much more, ah, demonstrative culture, one that really places emphasis on men being with women. To him, Tsukasa basically had a good thing and was just throwing it away. What a waste. He didn't have anything against him, though, and Natsumi said she liked him, so he decided to help rather than get in the way. Tsukasa obviously needed some walking through how to behave appropriately, but that's okay, he has other CR in Camp that's needed the same help. He was bored. It seemed like a fun game.

It really was a game for him, right up until he decided to stop. That is to say, all the times Cesare was saying he'd help, he really was trying to help. He's not interested in deception for this sort of thing. That time that he got the "confess your love OR ELSE" paper that he tossed out was really the turning point here. It was blank and he realized he could have put Tsukasa's name on it and strong armed him into taking Natsumi out or being nice to her or something, but he didn't want to. Being attracted to someone really isn't a Big Deal for him--it's not something he's going to angst about. It was more that he didn't realize quite how far it had gone until then, but once he did he wasn't about to play around and subtly try to undermine things. That's just not how he rolls.

In that same post, Spain told him basically to step up his game and make a show of it and he agreed. He waited around only because if you're going to do something, do it right. Go big or go home. I don't know how much Natsumi picked up on it in the couple of weeks between then and their last thread but he was really stepping up his game. He knew exactly what he was doing with the flowers and the hand holding, even if he was carded for some of it--that just made him louder about it, and more willing to diss Tsukasa to make himself look better.

Um... Yeah that might be about it. Basically he likes her. Oh! Do you remember the mindrun where Natsumi was shown around Rome by the tiny? That's when he first started to realize, although he was already used to liking her as a friend and thinking she was attractive in general, so he didn't fully get it until later.

Reverse me? How much of what was going on was Natsumi aware of?

SO. How about that older twin thing?

You are a pain in his ass. Juan's annoying, too, but you really disturb him sometimes.

It's less about having an older twin, and more about seeing a possible version of the future and really not liking it. Actually, Cesare has yet to find any version of the future that he likes but he knows this one well enough and he is very angry about it. Part of the anger is at Dali (you know what, I'm just going to call you Dali for this because it's easier) for making what he sees as such stupid mistakes and for arriving in Camp right when he no longer had any real desire to see family here. Part of it is at himself for seeing himself in Dali. It's disconcerting.

At the same time he trusts Dali more than Juan because he understands him on a different level. It's not just being able to predict what will happen or to make guesses based off of previous behavior. He might not always know what he's going to do, but it sure makes more sense when it happens. He doesn't always like how much sense it makes.

If Dali really was just an older twin it would simplify things. As it is he is just different enough that he can argue that and wonder if they really are the same. He was already struggling with problems of predestination and fate and Dali is messing with that, tugging him first one way and then the other. He wants a straight answer. He's not going to get one.

On a different note, Dali being in Camp is making him wonder if that means he will be leaving soon. This isn't something he's brought up to anyone, though, because (among other things) he doesn't know how he feels about it and he doesn't like that. He should be relieved to be finally leaving. He's not.

So how about that younger twin thing?

(it is easier to use our painter names)

Having Picasso around is both reassuring because he has backup in the form of someone who thinks like he does and terrifying because they really don't agree on everything. He's not entirely sure Picasso is on his side, especially after some of their conversations and from things he's heard from Juan.

Speaking of Juan, he so wants Juan to be Picasso's problem. Juan is difficult and there was a very good reason Dali stabbed him before he came to camp. He can't just "get over it" and having Picasso tell him he needs to try makes it seem like he's on Juan's side. He's been a little on edge around his otherself since he arrived just because he doesn't want things to turn into a two on one situation.

But now that he's calmed down more and Juan has sobered up an healed a lot there is more of a sense of having Picasso there to back him up, since it really takes two Cesares to handle one Juan.

So there's a lot of suspicion, but a sort of deeply implied trust (if you can't trust yourself, who can you trust?) and everything is all muddled.

Who does Cesare dread kissing most come mistletoe?

J... Ce... ...No, Juan.

I had to really think about that, though, man. :|

NEITHER OF THEM WOULD BE IDEAL, LET'S JUST SAY THAT. But at least with Dali it's more that he's... making out with himself? Which is weird yes, but more acceptable somehow. Also he feels like Dali would be more hygienic and better at it somehow, but that might just be because he's got a high opinion of himself. :|b;;;

Same question AND ALSO what does Dali think about Lucrezia?

Definitely Juan. Mostly because he doesn't want to encourage that. There's already some weird semi-incest things going on with the Borgias and he doesn't want anymore of those rumors going around.

Plus, making out with what is essentially him is weird on a much more manageable level.

Re: Lucrezia
Dali LOVES her, like with all his heart. She is the one he cares about most out of the whole family, and the one he would do pretty much anything for. He's killed for her, and he would again. Having her in Camp would mean he would fussbird over her as much as possible and probably hover all the time to make sure she stays safe.

If Camp ever gets a Miguel/Micheletto what will Picasso do with him? And how will we split him between us?

Don't want yours, he's not the same and it pisses me off. :( you keep him. I'll be civil though because I still want him to shank for me, but he'll get treated not the same.

You keep your hands off mine in exchange. >(!!

What does Dali miss about the outside world?

That's right you keep your hands off mine >( because he's actually good at what he does. Who wants your babby Micheletto anyway?

He misses sex. That's an easy one.

If Cesare could bring someone from home who would it be and why?

Miguel. Occasionally he gets frustrated by people in Camp and thinks that Miguel would be just as annoying and that Angelo would be better, but overall Miguel wins. He's much more useful than Angelo and he's known him much longer. ...Much more useful, forget everything else. It's not quite as much of a thing right now because he's not too concerned about anyone or anything in Camp in a stabbity way, but man when he is he gets annoyed that Miguel isn't here to help him out.

Your characters, road trip, go. (I may have asked you this before, but now you have Dali.)

Edited 2012-10-15 07:57 (UTC)

~~What are your thoughts on yaoi?~~ Relationships so far?

~~He sees the point, but it doesn't float his boat. Fortunately he's never found the fan stuff he's in.~~

Cindy is fun. Cesare likes her. She's sharp and competent, both things he appreciates and respects. He's very unsure if she'll actually help him out or not, but doesn't regret asking. Might as well see what happens.

Cesare also appreciates how put together Cindy is. A lot of people in Camp don't seem to care about that sort of thing, at least from his point of view. He likes to put on a show even in everyday things and it's nice that he's not alone in that. He also thinks her past sounds interesting--at least the part after Charming when she got inserted into the political system. He wants to hear more about it, but obviously it's not her favorite topic.

Tiffany isn't fun, but she is interesting. Cesare is also more willing to tell her things sooner because of her age and gender--it's a subconscious thing, really, but she doesn't strike him as threatening at all. A little odd and he knows she has magic so he knows better than to force her hand, but...

Magic in general interests him because it represents a whole new realm of potential powers and options. He would like to learn more about it from her (or anyone, really). It's fascinating. He also likes that she knew what questions to ask when they were talking last. It made for a more interesting conversation for him.

Guy is Guy and Cesare still judges him and kind of hates that Guy knows things about him that are judge worthy, too. He wants to do things with him too, like archery and horseback riding. He missed having someone to do these things with! He'll stay on Guy's good side, if only to have a partner for this... >>

On another level, Guy raises some real concerns for Cesare re is he doing the right thing in his own machinations. Not so much the sister and family stuff--he knows Guy made worse choices there--, but with the planning he is doing for when he goes home. He got as angry with Guy as he did that one time because it was hitting a little too close for comfort. If Guy can't change anything, then how can he? Although there are still a couple hundred years and at least one nation between them, Guy is practically a neighbor to Cesare in the broader picture that is Camp. At least he's from the right continent, he is also from much earlier in time than most, and he is more or less the same religion. These are important things when it comes to trying to relate to someone. When Cesare grabs at this CR it's to reassure himself that there is something more familiar around still.

Reverse me?

Cindy thinks that Cesare is a teenage boy--a little on the overconfident side, but hey, he's savvy, intelligent and doing stuff rather than being a wastrel so she can't fault him for effort. She cannot actually tell him a bunch of things about what she really does because of the sensitive nature of the information, but if she gets to travel, she's game.

He's mature for a teenager and she kinda finds that refreshing every now and then. Though he is one of those Borgias and she suspects he will come to a sticky end if he is not careful. Cindy also feels sorry for the poor girl he'll marry, but that was how things were back then.

Tiffany is wary of priests and church officials in general because they had really funny ideas about witches in the past. She's read about the history of witchcraft on Earth and while everyone in Camp is refreshingly open-minded about it, she's not going to show her hand very often because what she is capable of is simultaneously less impressive than what people think magic is about and more terrible than what those medieval texts were going on about. Also, she's reading Cesare because it's impossible for witches not to analyse people and she was more interested in the way he thought than what he was thinking of during that one conversation.

Tiffany doesn't get a chance to be a 16 year old girl back at home because everyone sees the witch, but in Camp, most people just see the 16 year old girl. So she is totally okay with using that to her advantage--being shorter probably made her appear younger. She was rather cynical about Cesare because she read that he is a politician first and most other things second. He appears to have good intentions, but she is not sure that he has the conviction to see them through.

Guy has all those mixed feelings about Cesare. For one thing, they're both men out of their time and they have certain things in common that he can relate to. They know about familial obligations, the power of the church and Middle Age politics, but they will still judge each other--though Guy sort of feels that he has more knowledge and experience to draw on and thinks that Cesare will get in over his head eventually. Guy knows that Cesare is judging him, but as recent events with AU!Cesare and Juan unfolded, he realised that Cesare was a lot closer to the pitfalls he had fallen into than he had expected. He really wishes that Cesare was not potentially on track to become a killer of his own sibling or embroiled in the wars of his homeland though--that's just sad and depressing. He'd help Cesare avoid that sort of pitfall if he could.

Cesare is also a man of the cloth, but not like a humble village priest or a nun (Guy helped a nun once--his mother probably brought him up to have some respect for religious orders). He reeks a little too much of Rome and politics, which in Guy's opinion is going to be his downfall. He's played that game before and failed--and while he owes no loyalty to Cesare, he does not like the thought of history repeating itself. Guy finds it difficult to view Cesare as a spiritual leader in light of the worldly affairs he has involved himself in. So Cesare is that person that Guy can relate to and yet disagree with a lot while engaging in Ye Olde Hobbies.

Three things Cesare planned do to change his fate using the services of a Fable super-spy.

1) Get Cardinal Della Rovere out of the way. Doesn't necessarily need to be with murder, he just needs to be taken care of. (Murder would probably be the option taken here, though. Yes, he wants to put out a hit on a future pope. Sue him.) Rovere is a thorn in his family's side. A big thorn. Like, called in the French and tried to get Cesare's father denounced as an antipope. They dealt with that well enough, really he just wants him gone before he can get elected and then have Cesare imprisoned in Spain and take his holdings in Italy. Jerk.

2) Help Lucrezia. It depends what year Cindy would arrive in, but Lucrezia's going to go through three marriages one of which ends publicly and messily, one of which involves the new husband getting murdered (sorry sis), and... actually, the third one is okay. If Cindy's showing up that late, it's not that big a deal. Lucrezia is by that point old enough and worldly enough to take care of herself fine and her position isn't bad. Earlier, though, she'd basically get a side-quest to help his baby sister one way or another.

Also, I really think Cindy would hit it off with Lucrezia. It might be a nice vacation for both of them.

3) Go be pretty and cultured and exact some information from people. Again, it depends on what year. Could be anyone from Rovere to Francis I.

State of the Guy?

Guy just died again or almost died again from Jack in the Box past (lethal) injuries. I am not sure how traumatic it was . . . he's in recovery or something. Or recovery was slowed down by October.

It's his one year anniversary at the end of this month . . . it's not something he expected to see, really. He's simultaneously weirded out by this and cautiously optimistic about leaving Camp and maybe getting a life. Still needs to fix the destination though.

I might post for Guy's anniversary.

Cesare's least favourite things in Camp?

He doesn't have as good a network here. To be fair, his regular one is REALLY GOOD. And the rules of what is and isn't ok still frustrates him sometimes. Right now he really wants to be able to write to his father even though he probably wouldn't ask him any of what is bothering him anyway because hahaha no. :| he just wants confirmation that he's on the right track and he doesn't really have anyone he trusts enough to work through it with him right now, for one reason or another. He'd ask Rue if he hadn't left...

He also doesn't like how uncanny valley the other Borgias are for him. >_<; and getting carded for drinks is dumb.

What do yours think about othercesare and juan?

Guy thinks that other!Cesare and Juan are kinda hot-headed and dumb. And it's tragic obviously, so he hopes that they don't do it again because it's useless in Camp. He can commiserate with other!Cesare about morally ambiguous younger brothers, but on the other hand, other!Cesare is not as flexible as first!Cesare. There are some stubborn parts of him that were definitely present in first!Cesare.

Cindy thinks that it's about time someone made a drama series about the Borgias. Your lives are wild enough for one. And other!Cesare and Juan are probably dumb(er).

What has Cesare done to keep other!Cesare and Juan occupied in Camp?

Mostly he's been trying to keep Juan occupied because when Juan got bored he would get high. This has maybe been remedied, but he was having him work on renovations to Canada and kind of just trying to push him towards making friends. Mostly the renovations, though, because that's a little more time consuming and also useful for him as well. He also did show him how to use the laptop--didn't point out the porn, but Juan found that on his own anyway. Did show him googlemaps and how to look at the feed from the security cameras in the consulate.

He explained computers and security cameras to other!Cesare as well, and got him started on the literature about their family. He figured that knowing himself that would be enough to keep him preoccupied, at least for now and at least a bit. Cesare hopes they will find girls they like in Camp soon. That will be a nice distraction. :|b;;;

Which of yours would you most like to live with?

Cindy. Guy is out because he's got no idea how to use a microwave. Tiffany would always be busy with other things and yet somehow you get the feeling you're being watched all the time.

Cindy will leave you alone for a long periods of time because she is pretending to be on vacation while on a job. She'll pay her half of the rent and she can actually cook and clean. Cindy is also great with pets. However, she's also the least likely person to share a flat amongst all my characters because of her real job.

If Cesare could bring stuff from Camp back to his world, what would he bring back and why?

Sorry, I accidentally deleted this earlier and couldn't bring myself to type it up again right away. So!

I'm restricting this to the three things Cesare most wants to bring back.

1) Quinine.
2) A modern atlas.
3) Pell's bracelet.
4) Natsumi's album.
5) Rue's pin.

1) Cesare's fall can be traced--at least, Machiavelli and Cesare himself both traced it to--malaria. It very suddenly killed his father and weakened him during that key liminal stage, so that he was not able to properly consolidate power and was pretty much at the mercy of other rival forces for an extended period of time. He really wants to prevent that. More than anything else, he's hit upon this as a practical step to be taken to avoid his written fate. Mosquito netting he can figure out back home. Draining the swamps around Rome isn't really practical yet. Quinine he wants to smuggle back with him.

Maybe some OFF too, or something. Let's expand this to a general "things that will kill mosquitos and their parasites".

2) Googlemaps is Cesare's favorite part of the internet. He can't bring that, but he thinks a book might be okay. He wants an atlas because it would be really useful in his military strategizing--a more accurate map is always a good thing--and because he could use it to achieve greater success in trade, international diplomacy... It's got other significance, too, in terms of general dominion/possession through knowledge, etc.

3) Pell's bracelet is magic. It can heal small injuries, shine a light, and holds a few memories. He doesn't know if it would be able to do any of that in Italy, but it's a nice reminder of Camp all the same--or, at least, it looks nice and there's always that...

4) Natsumi made Cesare a photo album for his birthday. She's teaching him how to take pictures! She made the album to look like period-appropriate books to try and trick Camp into letting him take it with him. It's about half-filled with pictures they've taken around Camp and he's supposed to finish filling it up before he leaves. It's another good reminder of Camp and the (dare I say it?) friends he's made here.

5) Cesare got a dragonfly pin from Rue for Christmas one year. It's his reminder of Rue and what he told him. Cesare really respected Rue and wants to remember the advice Rue gave him. If he won't be able to access it from the bracelet, maybe the pin will jog his memory...

Cindy goes to Guy's world, Guy goes to Tiffany's world, Tiffany goes to Cindy's world. How does that go?

Relationship/opinions~~

Isabella looks interesting. :3c Cesare might be the brother in the Church, but he's also from Rome in the 15th century so he's kind of used to the sorts of thinky thoughts Isabella has. Besides, this is Camp. It's like Carnival. He's not judging. :|b

Also interesting > most other things.

They haven't talked much but he knows who she is and he's heard about her from a few different people and he wants to hear more from the woman herself. That whole corsair thing sounds interesting, if nothing else. And, hey, if she could keep Juan busy and not getting drugged or murdered then that's a definite plus. She'll get an unofficial Christmas bonus for babysitting if she plays her cards right. :|b;;;

Basically they should thread more. |D Next time there's a mingle with alcohol, or something.

Reverse me?

Edited 2012-10-13 08:52 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply!

But yes we should totally thread more. >D So Isabela has heard a little about Cesare from Shaun but kind of built up a different image of him in her head because of it. But she's been rather pleasantly surprised talking to him -- the religion question was kind of fun for her to discuss (she's especially happy that he didn't try to push anything on her nor was scandalized by the things he said.)

And she likes Juan so she could probably keep him from getting murdered. Maaaybe drugged. She can't stop him from drinking though because she'd probably be putting that into his hand. :')

Just don't get him drunk to the point of being a loud embarrassment in the middle of Camp and you probably won't be getting any complaints from either Cesare. What did Shaun tell her? I'm curious. >>

Tell me about Cesare's thoughts on Jason!

Finding another Catholic was kind of exciting, ngl. Apart from the other Borgias who just showed up, there are like... two others he knows of in Camp. It's not a big deal but it is familiar, which is nice sometimes. Cesare doesn't usually draw attention to his title, and most people in Camp don't even know he's a member of the church, but it was relevant and, frankly, he wanted to share since it's been so long since "archbishop" has actually meant anything. He wouldn't have mentioned his specific rank if he hadn't been called a priest, though. He's a little too proud to go by a lesser title.

No title, on the other hand, is a different thing. Cesare prefers having people use just his first name because it's easier and all the formality gets stifling--he has to deal with that enough back home anyway. Jason's the first person to call him "your grace" since he arrived in Camp two years ago, though, so he didn't push it as much right away because it was such a reminder of home. He's glad Jason is, for the most part, remembering to disregard the title, though. He'll start pushing back against it more if it keeps getting used, save for in very specific circumstances, like when he's actually conducting rites. (Hope you don't mind pre-Vatican II, btw.)

I joke a lot that Cesare is horrible and does horrible things, but one of his good points is that he's very relativistic. It helped get him settled in Camp, too, which is good on an OOC note... But because of that he really doesn't care about converting people or stuff like that. There's a Spanish saying from his time that I just found that reads, Cada uno se puede salvar en su ley, or Each can be saved in his own law. There are actually a bunch of variations off of this! It isn't really relevant to get into all of them, but it's interesting! The point is that while Cesare has Opinions about a lot of things, he's also very willing to consider that other people also have Opinions and, especially for those from others times and places, their Opinions may be more valid to them than his own. What I'm saying is that the gay thing doesn't matter to him. To be fair, he also doesn't entirely get it. Marrying someone for political/familial reasons and having someone else on the side is pretty much standard for where he's from. :|b;; He's more interested in Jason's family stuff.

Specifically he sees a lot of parallels between them. (Again, to be fair with the relativism thing, he sees parallels between himself and a lot of people.) They both have specific roles they need to fill for Family; they both have sisters who are being put upon in other, gendered, ways; they were both sent away for education and actually studied fairly similar things (give or take those five centuries). He's very interested in exploring this further. He wants to know about his parents, because he has Opinions about his own parents as well.

Cesare also wants to know what Jason knows about him and his family. He's sure that Jason would recognize his father, since he wasn't lying about that whole being pope thing and because daddy's a little infamous. By this point in Camp Cesare doesn't bother beating around the bush and will just tell people he's a Borgia and who his father is and what the family is known for. For a while there he was more cautious, but he knows the rules of Camp better now and is more secure in his place and CR-safety net, so he announces it all up front so he can just know where people stand on it. He's willing to let Jason figure it out for himself because he's curious just how long it will take (and what that will say about him) and because Jason is pretty much 0% threatening. Sorry.

If Jason is interested, Cesare does go to the chapel every morning before 6 am. He doesn't do mass or anything, in part because there's no one to do it for and in part because... he... wasn't ever doing that back home anyway. Cesare is a very bad clergyman. Jason is free to be scandalized.

Reverse me?

...Jason really is 0% threatening it is true.

Jason's both terrified of Cesare and strangely comforted by his presence. Because oh my god, an archbishop, but on the other hand, he depends upon and trusts implicitly in the church, even though that means he must also believe that he is inherently a wrong and bad person. In canon, when he is under the most intense pressure and almost literally having a mental breakdown on stage, he goes straight to his priest to confess. He says he didn't know anywhere else to go.

For Jason the spiritual backup that comes with Cesare existing is immensely important. He'll go to confession; he prays every day. He believes deeply in God, and he believes that the clergy can speak for and to Him. He's never met anyone as important and powerful within the church as Cesare is. You can probably safely guess Jason will be turning up at the chapel at least twice a week! Whether the service is totally familiar doesn't matter - much of the ceremony will probably be similar, and hearing Latin soothes and comforts him.

And he'll also be heading straight for the library to brush up on his archbishops-named-Cesare-from-around-1490 knowledge, because - well, it looks bad to not have that kind of information when you want to think of yourself as a good Catholic and you've just run into someone from much earlier in the religion's history :|b

...hope you don't mind having a quiet, awestruck little shadow, Cesare.

He keeps sliding into teenage-boy-who-seems-friendly mode with Cesare, too, which totally freaks him out and terrifies him because THIS IS AN ARCHBISHOP, JASON so the sudden swings between 'oh yeah we're friends' and 'SORRY YOUR GRACE' are because of that.

If you hadn't apped Cesare, who else from his canon would you have apped instead?

I almost apped this glorious bastard.

This is Miguel de Corella, Cesare's... well, I guess you could call him his best friend, although Miguel certainly wouldn't agree with that. He was brought from Spain as a child to be Cesare's help and support, as they put it in canon, and has been living with him ever since.

For all that he, like Cesare, is a teenage boy, he's also deadly efficient when it comes down to protecting Cesare. This sentiment is returned. Cesare beat up a guy and set off a mini gang war to defend Miguel's honor. They hate each other sometimes. A lot of the time. At the end of it all, Miguel is the one Cesare turns to--except for when he needs to bitch about Miguel himself, then he complains to Angelo who, btw, is that blond haired kid in a bunch of these panels and who Jason reminded Cesare of. Miguel is also an orphan and Jewish in a time when that raises some problems (hence the beating up a guy) and knows full well that without Borgia support he would probably be a mercenary fighting for some petty warlord.

Also, I don't really have a way to work this scene in, but it's good too. :3

Miguel is awesome and I fully endorse reading this canon just for him. He pinged me hard, much harder than Cesare, actually, and I really did almost app him instead.

Favorite canon moment for Jason?

Edited 2012-10-14 04:53 (UTC)

Suddenly starting to be interested in your canon :|

...before I answer that one how much do you want to avoid being spoilered.

Spoilers are fine! I learn about most canons via Camp anyway. \o

And yes, Miguel is legit how I pimp my canon. :|b

Also just this picture come on their dynamic is the best. ;;

Edited 2012-10-14 06:27 (UTC)

....y-you guys. Boys stop frowning and be nice in your fancy uniforms with your fancy horse.

Just in case anyone else stops past here at any point MAJOR SPOILER WARNING LOOK OUT.

As bare unfolds, things get pretty terrible for Jason. Like, really terrible. His world is falling apart around him and he doesn't know what to do! And so he goes to the church to pray and confess, in a song called Cross (which you can watch on Youtube along with the rest of the show!!!)

For the entire show he has held it together. Even under disastrous circumstances he's managed to mostly maintain his cool, apart from that one time he punched someone for calling him a faggot. But during this song he just falls apart, and for the first time he tries to tell someone he's gay. The audience finally sees how hard Jason's struggling to keep up the facade of being the golden boy. He pleads with the priest to tell him if being gay is okay, to tell him if he is okay - if he's still a good person. And the priest refuses to answer. It breaks my heart every time. This song is the reason I decided to app him.

Do you have any songs that remind you of Cesare?

Aw, baby. ;_;

There are two amvs on Youtube of Cesare's canon, one set to Mr. Brightside and the other to Vindicated. :x They are both fantastically emo and one of them pairs Cesare up with Giovanni de Medici (which okay is probably not as funny if you're not canon familiar). They are kind of amazing and now both of those songs remind me of him. :x;;;

Hallelujah always reminded me of him, if you still want a serious answer, though.

Your characters are forced into going on a cross-country road trip. How does that go?

Edited 2012-10-14 08:33 (UTC)

...disastrously holy shit. There are no words for how badly that would go. Jason and Glinda would drive each other up the wall very, very quickly, and when they started bickering Ivy would lose the plot and gag them both with vines at the very least. Possibly she would kill them both. It would be terrible.

Who would you top me into playing, from any canon you like?

My answer for that is always Miguel because I love him. ♥ Although Angelo is great, too.

What does Jason think about Camp so far?

Pell: Cesare would dress nicely (well, really, this works for all of them I guess...) and take him out for dinner, since Pell's more of a night person. They would go back to Canada if the other Borgias would be reliably Not Around but since that's not too likely, he'd get something set up in a nicer part of Camp, somewhere without too many bugs and where they could watch the sunset. Table, chairs, nice (probably Spanish because who else can he get to cook for him whenever he wants...) meal and a bottle of wine. They would talk about things as they do and look at the constellations come out and Cesare would be sure to wear the bracelet Pell gave him and something that shows off his body, because he knows Pell thinks he's attractive and if he's going to get flattered he wants to do it right. Given how other threads with Pell go, I'm guessing there will be making out involved.

Cesare doesn't have CR with Yuki so uh IF TURNBULL WAS IN CAMP, IT WOULD BE THE MOST AWKWARD DATE EVER. THERE WOULD BE MAPLE CANDY AND A MOOSE-DRAWN CARRIAGE SOMEHOW AND THEY WOULD BOTH BE HORRIBLY EMBARRASSED.

Peppo: Picnic! Sunny day, there must be a nice field somewhere in all the swamp, basket of food and a bottle of champagne. They might have to make the food themselves if they want it to be French, which he would prefer for this. He'd include it as part of the date, but unofficially, ie not dressed up as nice for it and not calling it as much, but there would still be flirting and casual touching during it. The picnic would probably involve draping and general laziness with tasty snacks and idk cloud watching.

Zeta: ...Zeta can show him how to make his laptop more secure. That totally counts as a date, right? He'll offer to give him food or something in exchange.

Steve: lmao take him to the shooting range I guess. They can talk while maiming targets. Maybe go check out the stables or the robot cows. Or poke at Marcy. Then go get lunch. Can Steve cook and that cupcake thing was just a bad recipe? I don't think he can cook. Neither can Cesare. Maybe Steve's actual girlfriend can make them something and they can thank her nicely and eat it, like if Cesare was a kid going over to his friend's house on the weekend. It will all be very boyscout-y. They should get merit badges at the end of it it! :|b

Taiki: I...dk go shopping for Senri. I'm sorry, Cesare thinks it would be kind of a waste of time if the other half of the date isn't interested. They can still have a classy lunch and he'll pay for everything since it's still a date. Besides, maybe if Taiki comes back with a bunch of fabric and shoes or something Senri will pout less.

Claudia: Adventure! This one would be less planned out because he'd want to see what she's up for at the spur of the moment, but he'd wear stuff that can get a little more roughed up. Very possibly it would involve doing experiments for fun on the barrier or doing some snooping around in the less automatically-murdery part of the caves or labs.

Relationships/impressions!

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TELL ME ALL THE THINGS BROTHER

Also I'm so much more a better kisser, more experience than othercesare.

Juan is... Juan. He's as concerning as he is because for all that he is NOT he is still Cesare's younger brother and no, I'm sorry, he will always be the younger brother in Cesare's mind. Cesare remembers him as a toddler. Bet you can't say the same. :| So that really complicates things because he wants to automatically fall back on the "I can admonish you because I'm your older brother and you can choose to not take it or to bitch about it but we both know I'm fully within my rights to do so" except Juan can now pull the "yeah but I've seen a few more years than you have" card and jesus fuck what even.

Also Dali complicates it by undermining any potential older sibling authority there THANKS A LOT, JERK. :|

It's really not that he wants to control Juan. He just doesn't know where he stands and in a way Juan's confirming he's the same obnoxious little brother as always, which is nice. Or something. Familiar, anyway. Juan especially in Camp more so than Dali makes him... actually want to see father again. He wants to talk to him.

Before I have to go, it's also important to note that cesare really isn't close to juan back in his own canon. Some of what he's drawing on here is more of an imagined or projected image of family than how it really is.

Reverse me

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You're welcome!

I'm so gonna tell on you.

BROTHER, BROTHERRRRR, DALI DID ANOTHER THIIING.

Oh hey that's actually a good way to lead into this. ANYWAY. So despite what othercesare feels/says about Juan, he's not an idiot. He knows when people are trying to manipulate him, and he knows when people are trying to "manage" him. He sees a lot of the latter in his interactions with Cesare, and at times he's either gone with it or called Cesare on it- depending on what he wants to deal with. However either way he doesn't feel... loved, more like he's just a chore to be taken care of. "Shh Shh puppy, go play with this ball" sort of deal, which is horrible for him because he came to camp feeling like at least THIS Cesare cared.

He can tell that Cesare's frustrated with how slow going the brotherly feud is being hammered out, which- okay JUAN is too, but that's another matter. More and more he gets the feeling that if Cesare could have them both disapear from camp with just a thought, he'd do it, and that feeds back into the issues he's had from long before camp.

He cares for Cesare like a brother, and not with the strange complications that othercesare's relationship has. However he also feels like he has no outlet for what's going on and he really, really wishes that he could just get eternally wasted and crawl into a bordello and never leave. He knows he frustrates Cesare by what's going on with othercesare, and that frustrates him. While he recognizes that Cesare is the type of person who "manages" other people, he also views it as his own failing that he can't build the normal kind of brotherly relationship with him.

Oh right, question. Because bot me and othercesare wanted to know, what are cesare's borgiafeels about this? (Also that he's um. Moving out.)

Edited 2012-10-15 08:36 (UTC)

Oh, Juan, don't go looking for a bordello in Camp. It will probably be full of swamp water and gorillas.

That kind of sums up Cesare's reaction here. Exasperation and "come here, stop overreacting, you're still my little brother and I still love you even if I think you're an utter idiot sometimes". Yes, Cesare is managing him. He has little energy to do much else with him, which really has nothing to do with Juan as a person and a lot to do with the situation the brothers brought with them. It's casting a big shadow over it all. It makes it very hard to do normal brother things with Juan with that always looming large in the back, if not irl then in his mind. Cesare really can't get over that part of it right now. Once they get something worked out he'll be much friendlier with the both of them. He's trying, really. He just can't do it.

Really a part of him hates them both. He tries to keep from giving it voice. They just represent--continually--something so threatening that he can't help but be disgusted by it. So, yes, he would have them both disappear from Camp with a thought, or, rather, he would be tempted by it. He's not convinced it would be an action he wouldn't regret. It's more like... you know when a little kid fantasizes about running away from home? It's like that. When it comes down to it he won't do it but man is it nice to look up maps to Alaska and yell about how you're going to go live in a boxcar.

On that note, Cesare would have left Canada if he hadn't been given possession of Canada and if he wasn't afraid he'd come back to find out they had destroyed it. Assume he's been spending more time than before ~~hiding~~ hanging out in Peppo's room. You guys really drive him crazy.

uhhh favorite CR?

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