10k meme

[maleborgia]

Cesare passed 10k on Dreamwidth! Good an excuse as any for a meme.

ASK A QUESTION, it can be anything CFUD related. OOC, IC, relationship/first impressions, psychology, thoughts, whatever. I.E. My character's opinion of your character (relationships and whatnot) or maybe what you have been wondering about this behavior or that, or general thoughts on my characters or canons, Hot or Not, You Should Jump Me, App My Canon, whatever you want to ask for. WHEN I REPLY, I will also ask you a question in turn! If we can think of questions anyway who knows.

LET ME ESSAY AT YOU. I have a bunch of studying to get done and I'd like something to distract myself with on occasion. :)

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[maleborgia]

Finding another Catholic was kind of exciting, ngl. Apart from the other Borgias who just showed up, there are like... two others he knows of in Camp. It's not a big deal but it is familiar, which is nice sometimes. Cesare doesn't usually draw attention to his title, and most people in Camp don't even know he's a member of the church, but it was relevant and, frankly, he wanted to share since it's been so long since "archbishop" has actually meant anything. He wouldn't have mentioned his specific rank if he hadn't been called a priest, though. He's a little too proud to go by a lesser title.

No title, on the other hand, is a different thing. Cesare prefers having people use just his first name because it's easier and all the formality gets stifling--he has to deal with that enough back home anyway. Jason's the first person to call him "your grace" since he arrived in Camp two years ago, though, so he didn't push it as much right away because it was such a reminder of home. He's glad Jason is, for the most part, remembering to disregard the title, though. He'll start pushing back against it more if it keeps getting used, save for in very specific circumstances, like when he's actually conducting rites. (Hope you don't mind pre-Vatican II, btw.)

I joke a lot that Cesare is horrible and does horrible things, but one of his good points is that he's very relativistic. It helped get him settled in Camp, too, which is good on an OOC note... But because of that he really doesn't care about converting people or stuff like that. There's a Spanish saying from his time that I just found that reads, Cada uno se puede salvar en su ley, or Each can be saved in his own law. There are actually a bunch of variations off of this! It isn't really relevant to get into all of them, but it's interesting! The point is that while Cesare has Opinions about a lot of things, he's also very willing to consider that other people also have Opinions and, especially for those from others times and places, their Opinions may be more valid to them than his own. What I'm saying is that the gay thing doesn't matter to him. To be fair, he also doesn't entirely get it. Marrying someone for political/familial reasons and having someone else on the side is pretty much standard for where he's from. :|b;; He's more interested in Jason's family stuff.

Specifically he sees a lot of parallels between them. (Again, to be fair with the relativism thing, he sees parallels between himself and a lot of people.) They both have specific roles they need to fill for Family; they both have sisters who are being put upon in other, gendered, ways; they were both sent away for education and actually studied fairly similar things (give or take those five centuries). He's very interested in exploring this further. He wants to know about his parents, because he has Opinions about his own parents as well.

Cesare also wants to know what Jason knows about him and his family. He's sure that Jason would recognize his father, since he wasn't lying about that whole being pope thing and because daddy's a little infamous. By this point in Camp Cesare doesn't bother beating around the bush and will just tell people he's a Borgia and who his father is and what the family is known for. For a while there he was more cautious, but he knows the rules of Camp better now and is more secure in his place and CR-safety net, so he announces it all up front so he can just know where people stand on it. He's willing to let Jason figure it out for himself because he's curious just how long it will take (and what that will say about him) and because Jason is pretty much 0% threatening. Sorry.

If Jason is interested, Cesare does go to the chapel every morning before 6 am. He doesn't do mass or anything, in part because there's no one to do it for and in part because... he... wasn't ever doing that back home anyway. Cesare is a very bad clergyman. Jason is free to be scandalized.

Reverse me?

[onmyknees]

...Jason really is 0% threatening it is true.

Jason's both terrified of Cesare and strangely comforted by his presence. Because oh my god, an archbishop, but on the other hand, he depends upon and trusts implicitly in the church, even though that means he must also believe that he is inherently a wrong and bad person. In canon, when he is under the most intense pressure and almost literally having a mental breakdown on stage, he goes straight to his priest to confess. He says he didn't know anywhere else to go.

For Jason the spiritual backup that comes with Cesare existing is immensely important. He'll go to confession; he prays every day. He believes deeply in God, and he believes that the clergy can speak for and to Him. He's never met anyone as important and powerful within the church as Cesare is. You can probably safely guess Jason will be turning up at the chapel at least twice a week! Whether the service is totally familiar doesn't matter - much of the ceremony will probably be similar, and hearing Latin soothes and comforts him.

And he'll also be heading straight for the library to brush up on his archbishops-named-Cesare-from-around-1490 knowledge, because - well, it looks bad to not have that kind of information when you want to think of yourself as a good Catholic and you've just run into someone from much earlier in the religion's history :|b

...hope you don't mind having a quiet, awestruck little shadow, Cesare.

He keeps sliding into teenage-boy-who-seems-friendly mode with Cesare, too, which totally freaks him out and terrifies him because THIS IS AN ARCHBISHOP, JASON so the sudden swings between 'oh yeah we're friends' and 'SORRY YOUR GRACE' are because of that.

If you hadn't apped Cesare, who else from his canon would you have apped instead?

[maleborgia]

I almost apped this glorious bastard.

This is Miguel de Corella, Cesare's... well, I guess you could call him his best friend, although Miguel certainly wouldn't agree with that. He was brought from Spain as a child to be Cesare's help and support, as they put it in canon, and has been living with him ever since.

For all that he, like Cesare, is a teenage boy, he's also deadly efficient when it comes down to protecting Cesare. This sentiment is returned. Cesare beat up a guy and set off a mini gang war to defend Miguel's honor. They hate each other sometimes. A lot of the time. At the end of it all, Miguel is the one Cesare turns to--except for when he needs to bitch about Miguel himself, then he complains to Angelo who, btw, is that blond haired kid in a bunch of these panels and who Jason reminded Cesare of. Miguel is also an orphan and Jewish in a time when that raises some problems (hence the beating up a guy) and knows full well that without Borgia support he would probably be a mercenary fighting for some petty warlord.

Also, I don't really have a way to work this scene in, but it's good too. :3

Miguel is awesome and I fully endorse reading this canon just for him. He pinged me hard, much harder than Cesare, actually, and I really did almost app him instead.

Favorite canon moment for Jason?

[onmyknees]

Suddenly starting to be interested in your canon :|

...before I answer that one how much do you want to avoid being spoilered.

[maleborgia]

Spoilers are fine! I learn about most canons via Camp anyway. \o

And yes, Miguel is legit how I pimp my canon. :|b

Also just this picture come on their dynamic is the best. ;;

[onmyknees]

....y-you guys. Boys stop frowning and be nice in your fancy uniforms with your fancy horse.

Just in case anyone else stops past here at any point MAJOR SPOILER WARNING LOOK OUT.

As bare unfolds, things get pretty terrible for Jason. Like, really terrible. His world is falling apart around him and he doesn't know what to do! And so he goes to the church to pray and confess, in a song called Cross (which you can watch on Youtube along with the rest of the show!!!)

For the entire show he has held it together. Even under disastrous circumstances he's managed to mostly maintain his cool, apart from that one time he punched someone for calling him a faggot. But during this song he just falls apart, and for the first time he tries to tell someone he's gay. The audience finally sees how hard Jason's struggling to keep up the facade of being the golden boy. He pleads with the priest to tell him if being gay is okay, to tell him if he is okay - if he's still a good person. And the priest refuses to answer. It breaks my heart every time. This song is the reason I decided to app him.

Do you have any songs that remind you of Cesare?

[maleborgia]

Aw, baby. ;_;

There are two amvs on Youtube of Cesare's canon, one set to Mr. Brightside and the other to Vindicated. :x They are both fantastically emo and one of them pairs Cesare up with Giovanni de Medici (which okay is probably not as funny if you're not canon familiar). They are kind of amazing and now both of those songs remind me of him. :x;;;

Hallelujah always reminded me of him, if you still want a serious answer, though.

Your characters are forced into going on a cross-country road trip. How does that go?

[onmyknees]

...disastrously holy shit. There are no words for how badly that would go. Jason and Glinda would drive each other up the wall very, very quickly, and when they started bickering Ivy would lose the plot and gag them both with vines at the very least. Possibly she would kill them both. It would be terrible.

Who would you top me into playing, from any canon you like?

[maleborgia]

My answer for that is always Miguel because I love him. ♥ Although Angelo is great, too.

What does Jason think about Camp so far?