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maleborgia) wrote2012-03-13 12:07 am
maleborgia) wrote2012-03-13 12:07 am
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SOTU and Questions Meme
Cesare's deathday just passed and he's about to hit 2.5k on DW. This seems like a good time for a SOTU and Question Meme.
IC:
Cesare's still going strong in Camp. There's lots to do and canon is just reinforcing that this is exactly the sort of opportunity he couldn't pass up. So many things to study! So many people to meet! He's always on the go and looking for some new thing to chase down. Camp is his playground and he's enjoying himself like mad when he's not in the middle of some stupid dangerous situation that is all his own fault anyway because at the end of the day he's still 17 and a lot of what he does is greatly influenced by "wow that looks cool".
Recently Cesare's been a little more... manic than usual, fueled mostly by the fact that it's March and he died in March. He gets a little obsessive (more than usual) around his birthday and deathday, since they're sizable reminders for him of what his big picture goals in Camp are and of all the work he feels like he needs to get done to even have a chance at achieving some sort of goodend back in his own world. He'll calm down again in a bit. Just be patient with him while he's even more stubborn and driven for a few days.
In other news, there's a lot that he wants to do sometime in the recent future and not all of them have much if anything to do with conquering Italy. Like I said, at the end of the day he's still 17. He wants to get modern clothes and learn to drive and would want to take advantage of the sex ban being lifted if he didn't know it was a trap.
OOC:
Clearly Cesare is my baby and I am all up in his canon and history and etc etc etc. I have so many feelings about... gosh, a lot of stuff, really, and I don't know how to put them into words properly yet. I might come back to this, or if someone asks something more specific... ide, I adore Cesare and all of his stupid douchey things and I am still very much enjoying playing him in Camp. :) ♥
ASK A QUESTION, it can be anything CFUD related. OOC, IC, relationship/first impressions, psychology, thoughts, whatever. I.E. My character's opinion of your character (relationships and whatnot) or maybe what you have been wondering about this behavior or that, or general thoughts on my characters or canons, Hot or Not, You Should Jump Me, App My Canon, whatever you want to ask for. WHEN I REPLY, I will also ask you a question in turn! If we can think of questions anyway who knows.
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Cesare's still going strong in Camp. There's lots to do and canon is just reinforcing that this is exactly the sort of opportunity he couldn't pass up. So many things to study! So many people to meet! He's always on the go and looking for some new thing to chase down. Camp is his playground and he's enjoying himself like mad when he's not in the middle of some stupid dangerous situation that is all his own fault anyway because at the end of the day he's still 17 and a lot of what he does is greatly influenced by "wow that looks cool".
Recently Cesare's been a little more... manic than usual, fueled mostly by the fact that it's March and he died in March. He gets a little obsessive (more than usual) around his birthday and deathday, since they're sizable reminders for him of what his big picture goals in Camp are and of all the work he feels like he needs to get done to even have a chance at achieving some sort of goodend back in his own world. He'll calm down again in a bit. Just be patient with him while he's even more stubborn and driven for a few days.
In other news, there's a lot that he wants to do sometime in the recent future and not all of them have much if anything to do with conquering Italy. Like I said, at the end of the day he's still 17. He wants to get modern clothes and learn to drive and would want to take advantage of the sex ban being lifted if he didn't know it was a trap.
OOC:
Clearly Cesare is my baby and I am all up in his canon and history and etc etc etc. I have so many feelings about... gosh, a lot of stuff, really, and I don't know how to put them into words properly yet. I might come back to this, or if someone asks something more specific... ide, I adore Cesare and all of his stupid douchey things and I am still very much enjoying playing him in Camp. :) ♥
ASK A QUESTION, it can be anything CFUD related. OOC, IC, relationship/first impressions, psychology, thoughts, whatever. I.E. My character's opinion of your character (relationships and whatnot) or maybe what you have been wondering about this behavior or that, or general thoughts on my characters or canons, Hot or Not, You Should Jump Me, App My Canon, whatever you want to ask for. WHEN I REPLY, I will also ask you a question in turn! If we can think of questions anyway who knows.
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Also there is a Laguna metro station in Madrid that I had to pass through and I thought of you. :D
Scion is a little more complicated but still easy enough to explain! Cesare has him marked off as both interesting and dangerous, as all the most compelling things are. He wants to talk to him more both because he knows he's being fed an abridged or altered version of events and the pieces he has put together are very interesting and because he can actually really relate to him. Possibly more than any other CR he's got going on right now! The memory of Scion's that he saw really hit him because it spoke to one of his own fears--albeit not one that he has in any way acknowledged, really--about getting Angelo killed. And since Angelo was appearing in his own memory in that thread... Basically, Cesare would be a lot more concerned about things if Scion was not obviously from a different world. He'd like to make sure that there won't be any possible territorial conflicts anyway, because he'd rather not go up against Scion in battle...
Reverse me?
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Well, obviously Laguna likes Cesare! I mean, Laguna honestly defaults to liking everyone because he's just that kind of guy, but Cesare is friendly and does things like trying to teach him how to ride and such so obviously that's extra points in his favor. Laguna really doesn't think too hard about whether Cesare may or may not have ulterior motives, but again, he's like that with everyone, and is totally the type to believe in people anyway. That and by Laguna's standards Cesare's a "kid", more or less, and Laguna ALWAYS has a soft spot (and is easily topped by) kids. |Db
Sion definitely thinks Cesare is interesting but also someone to be wary of. He sees that he can potentially get useful information from him, whether about camp or otherwise, if he plays his cards right, but that he has to be careful so as not to tip his own hand. Sion generally says things with the assumption that Cesare IS reading between the lines, though he's honestly not sure yet just how much he's picking up on. But Sion knows he can potentially use that to feed him information he wants him to know should he ever be so inclined. If Cesare were in Sion's own world he'd probably immediately mark him as someone to either win over or render harmless, but since this is camp that's not so much of a concern.
In other words, Sion basically sees Cesare the same way--interesting and potentially dangerous--and acts accordingly, though since Sion is Sion it'll probably take him some time before he'd be willing to open up and relate more. Nothing personal, just that as you might have guessed from his reactions to people seeing his memory, Sion just has problems with opening up to people, even people he truly likes.
Just how much HAS Cesare figured out from what Sion's told him?
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Just to clarify, Cesare doesn't trust Sion or like him particularly beyond "interesting, therefore better to talk to than a lot of people". He can't help but see similarities between them, though.
He hasn't gotten any of the supernatural stuff because... that's just not what he generally thinks about. After being in Camp for so long he's not totally unused to it, obviously, so he'll probably pick up on it sooner or later if they keep talking. He's gotten a decent idea of the bloodier details of how Sion came into power and is getting pinged that there's something odd going on with the church or whatever religious institution he's got. He's interested in finding out more about Sion's actual motives--he gets that he's interested in genuine social change, of course, but he wants to figure out the layers under that.
...Also if I wrote "Scion" instead of "Sion" somewhere my bad. I was trying to explain the other day that that's my mom's car and now I keep typing that instead, ugh.
Um, tell me about your characters' childhoods!
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And man lessee...
Laguna probably had a pretty normal, relatively uneventful childhood in Galbadia. I'm guessing he probably had siblings, and I doubt he was the oldest given how he clowns around. It's never really touched on at all in his canon, but his carefree attitude and utter lack of angst suggests it was likely fairly unremarkable. XD
Mewtwo was a clone raised in a test tube. At one point early on he made psychic friends with some other clones but they all died and the scientists erased his memory of it. :( When he first ACTUALLY gained consciousness he was told he was an experiment and threw a temper tantrum over that. Then Giovanni offered to become partners and later revealed he only thought of Mewtwo as a tool so Mewtwo threw a temper tantrum over that. And almost destroyed the world in the process before Ash stopped him with the power of FRIENDSHIP. And that's the first year or so of Mewtwo's life in a nutshell. :Db
Masamune doesn't really get his childhood explored by canon, but historically he was the first son of a daimyo, but lost his right eye to smallpox at a young age. As a result there was considerable tension since his mother started favoring his younger brother as heir. He also had a reputation for being temperamental and unpredictable, which earned him his One-Eyed Dragon nickname. Oh and his father was killed by his own soldiers when Masamune was like. nineteen. (It's a long story....)
Sion ...oh boy. Sion's the illegitimate son of the former king of Roland and a commoner woman he kidnapped and raped. His father and brothers basically hated him just for existing, and from the start he was pretty much constantly mocked, harrassed, bullied, and beaten. Sion never fought back even when he COULD, because he knew that if he did, it would make him go from beinga mere nuisance in the nobles' eyes to an actual threat that needed to be put down permanently. Even as a young child he had difficulty understanding how his mother could possibly love him and be as happy to have him as she claimed, when as he saw it he was the cause of most of her suffering. Of course, she did later her own life when she could no longer endure all the harassment, leaving Sion effectively orphaned, since his father certainly wasn't taking him in.
And this pretty much continued to be the case; sometime in his teens or so, the first time he started seeing/falling for a girl, one of his brothers found out and had her killed. Then when he was seventeen all but two of his classmates from the military academy were slaughtered in a trap meant for him. So, y'know, that sort of thing was pretty par for the course for him. :|b Possibly the only GOOD thing to come out of all his time before he became king was making friends with Ryner at the academy, really.
What does Cesare plan to do if/when he leaves camp for good?
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Go back to Italy, to whichever year of his life he's updated to. He's not about to forget about his father's plans just because he's been on vacation for a while! Cesare has been trying to collect information (and people) that will be useful to him in Italy. He doesn't want to just let things play out the way they always seem to. Camp provided the opportunity to change it and damned if he's not going to try. He has not planned out exactly what he is going to go--really, he needs two plans, one with and one without Juan--that's what he's been working on so manically these past few days.
Tell me three pieces of headcanon about Sion!
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Anyway! Some headcanon for Sion:
- He has no idea how to cook.
- He's enough of a city boy that big empty tracts of land and farm animals and such, seen up close, is fairly novel to him.
- The reason why he keeps his hair so long is because when his mother died, he simply didn't know how to properly cut it for himself. Later, when he was a little older, he chose to let it keep going.
...you know, I can't remember if I mentioned before that Ryner tends to hang around Sion a lot in camp, often at least just being nearby if not actually talking with the same people. IF NOT well, he does. XD With that in mind though, what would Cesare think of this, if he's noticed?
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also what was he saying when he said "waiting" before he passed out?
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I have to go but I will respond to the rest of this later. :|b Feel free to get a head start on reversing me.
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On one hand is Tiny, who is Tiny and who makes Shaun feel like all sorts of a failure because he WANTS to be a good parentteacherthing and balance both discipline and proper caring that a little Cesare should have. However the more he gives out the necessary discipline, the more Tiny just migrates towards others, and the more Shaun gives in, the more Tiny rebels when it comes time for rules or stopping him when he's about to do something dangerous. He's facing the dilemma that most people do when they're given the responsibility he has: is he really qualified to make the choices for this developing child, especially on his own? He has no idea, but he's going to do the best he can and reach out to more experienced people.
Zhores thinks Tiny is adorbs and only manipulates him enough to figure out if anything's going on, past that he's harmless. Unlike Shaun, Zhores has a good idea of how he feels he should raise small children, so he'll treat tiny Cesare like he does the kids in the library: he lets them get away with a lot, gives them a fair warning, but if they cross a line, they know it and FAST. Zhores has boundaries that once Tiny hits the wall on, he can expect the human form of being scruffed like a cat. Possibly even picked up and to let squirm like an unruly kitten too. Either way, Zhores has no problem acting like he doesn't care.
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Cesare thinks Shaun is blind and broken and obnoxious. I forget what that entire list of complaints from Plurk was, but just so you know, it was by no means all-inclusive. He could have kept going. On the other hand, however, Shaun actually is useful. Very, very useful. As stated before, that's why he started talking to him in the first place (well, that, and the wanting to kill him...), but by this point even beyond being useful for what he can tell him or find for him, he's just a not-too-bad voice of reason. Cesare'll try to listen to him more. It's hard. He's finally reached a point where he can just accept that sometimes Shaun has a good point and now that he's there, he can take his advice without stepping too hard on his pride. It's a better place, really. Also feel free to act surprised, this is pretty new so it hasn't really come into play. :|b
Other than that, man, idk. He thinks Shaun is totally stupid about many things. He's making some very rough plans, nothing written down or anything yet, about what to do with him assuming that ACverse isn't an option for him to go back to. He would like to have a good chunk of time to actually set things up ahead of time, however, because, let's face it, Shaun needs some work. :|b Other than thattttt... idk! I liked their last thread a lot, haha. It's been a while since they had a normal(ish) interaction. They're actually pretty chill after it. I assumed he'd be pissed as hell and he would have been, except that Shaun managed to trigger him into actually wanting to calm down first. And, like I said, he's marginally more willing to listen to him now. So Shaun won't get much other than being told to not do it like that next time.
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Zhores is... idek. He's similar to where Shaun was, exactly a year ago. :') Cesare wants him taken care of, out of the way, no longer a threat. Zhores is different than Shaun because with Shaun he was more concerned about the group he represented, who he might work for, etc. Zhores himself is the obstacle that Cesare is sideeyeing, which makes it a little different. Zhores is the one with all the information--he's not just the one through which he can get access to this information. Zhores is also a danger in and of himself--he's not representative of a larger threat in Cesare's mind. So, there are pluses and minuses! Long story short, he does not trust Zhores obviously, does not trust Rika because of Zhores, still does not really regret having Spain kill him. :T As a side note, that was maybe my favorite bit of wtfuckery that I ever pulled off with Cesare :'DD He realizes, especially after the mindrun, that Zhores is not a threat to him as a child, so there is that. He's not keen on letting Zhores know that this is something that he is a) aware of and b) thinking about, however...
Cesare has no real plans for Zhores right now. He feels like they are even for now. He knows Zhores will retaliate at some point in the future and he is not looking forward to it. But for now he has no reason to do anything, especially considering how most actions are useless in the long run here.
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OKAY ADULT VERSIONS:
Shaun thinks of Cesare as his dumb student who makes bad life choices, however he's still proud of the teenager even when he is making those mistakes. Cesare's in many ways what Shaun considers a great student: Sharp, hungry for knowledge, always keeping his eyes open for new things, and willing to challenge people if they're wrong. All these things invariably also bite Shaun in the ass. No Cesare you can't x, I'm SURE, no that's not a good explanation- CESARE GET BACK HERE excexc. On a more personal level... It's Cesare, he's more or less assassindopted him. Ages ago he had to make a choice if he was going to be his caretaker or his parole officer and he's gone for a mesh that leads heavily on the former. He'll be sharp and stubborn and annoying to him because it's how he nips anything in the bud. This isn't the tiny where patterns are being developed, Cesare's been doing this for some time. Because of this he knows he overreacts a little, part of it is panic that he might have to do something in the future he hates, and part of it is that he knows it gets results with Cesare. Cesare may think he's an asshole, but Shaun's noticed that Cesare cuts down on whatever they have an argument about.
Shaun isn't without changes himself. He's backed down from things with Cesare, and has looked at himself rather harshly after a few talks. He's even continued to try and dangle an olive branch (in his own way) at Rue. In fact Rue's the only bubbling cauldron he wants to snap at Cesare about. Yes yes, your boyfriend gets to be catty at him, but heaven FORBID he returns the favor, excexc. Aside from the very real chance that he'll lose it at your boyfriend, he's made a lot of progress in being social, and a good part of it is from Cesare.
As for Zhores! Ohhh Zhores finds Cesare fun. If anything he likes that Cesare treats him like a threat, it makes little warlords so much more of a challenge to mess with. The thing is he hasn't reached that point where Cesare's found a way to strip him of his pride and dominate him, which is really the only way to turn the relationship into something where Zhores doesn't troll Cesare at every turn. The good news is that Zhores is less likely to let minor things injure Cesare, since that means there's less fun to be had while he recovers, on the other hand he's still all for killing him if it fits.
All that being said, casual conversation and non-fatal tea parties are certainly not out of the question. As Cesare provides him with entertainment and isn't a threat to him, there's no reason for actual hostilities on his end. He also still wants to bang Cesare, but that's only because the very idea of man/man action ruffles all of Cesare's feathers.
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Also, tell me about what your characters think of each other.
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-ahaha. I TRY NOT TO HAVE THEM INTERACT BUT. Shaun is ttly unsure about Zhores, as least ever since that time when he was a bird. Something's off about him and he nearly enslaved him you're creeped out go. MEANWHILE ZHORES- doesn't really care about Shaun. Oh it's that annoying English man who makes too much noise and doesn't return the books on time. Shaun's really only useful as a tool for Zhores.
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I mean.
At least now he's got some more general information so he has a decent idea of what tasks he can make Guy do as part of his repentance--
...This isn't coming out so well. :|a
Anything changed enough for a reverse?
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Cesare is the type of lordling Guy once aspired to be--only not with the links to the church because the clergy and power were not as tightly linked in England as in Italy. He's had the advantage of a certain type of upbringing. It is not so surprising now to Guy that Cesare is that mature for his age--he is obviously being groomed for leadership or statesmanship. Guy doesn't envy Cesare though--the things you have to do to climb that greasy pole aren't exactly great. However, Guy is beginning to sense that Cesare might actually enjoy certain aspects of his future job. He seems to have less of a distaste for political schenanigans than Guy. This is making him slightly wary of Cesare's methods and motives despite not being the sharpest knife in the kitchen.
In short, Cesare is beginning to remind Guy of certain people from his past.
What in the world is Cesare is up to now?
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Also trying to think of a way to "fix" things in his world so he doesn't get the badend he's kind of been destined to. It involves a lot of pouring over maps and trying to think of more efficient military strategies, although tbh he's less worried about that than about the more political side of things... There's just not a huge amount he can do about that, so it would be better to have the military matters more planned out ahead of time. He's got pretty much every recorded move against him memorized and has spent a lot of time trying to think out better and better responses to them. Rovere is his greatest problem, but just straight up killing him has its dangers, too, and he's not sure yet when the best time to get him out of the way would be... Also people he likes in Camp would judge him hard for that if they knew, so he's trying to think if there is a different way to go about it. Other than that, alliances, marriages, etc etc etc. It's planning, a lot of planning, Juan's death trips him up a bit because it was on the one hand a huge family tragedy and on the other really opened a lot of doors for him... He's not sure how to prevent it, even, because frankly Juan was a bit of an idiot sometimes and it would be worse to just hold off on it for a few years and then have to restart getting the ball rolling anyway, but with that much less time to do everything in...
Or do you mean with Guy? He's not even sure yet, he just knows he has a metaphorical stick and carrot now and has to decide still what to do with them. Tbh he's probably just going to go with keeping him closer now since Guy seems like he would be useful for future danger. He's not out to really harm Guy, unless you count being a possible bad influence harm.
Castmates you want?
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Guy: Robin and Marian. EVEN ISABELLA. ICly, it would be Isabella because she didn't get a happy ending and family is important--important enough to try to make amends for even after death. Robin and Marian can stay in Heaven and be hapy. Maybe Meg, but she was only around for one episode.
Tiffany: Granny Weatherwax. Just to see if she can get out of Camp and if has any better ideas about the World Eater. Tiffany can do this without feeling inadequate because Camp is a) not her turf, b) a really big problem involving a lot of people plus the rest of the universe and c) a challenge for any one witch.
Cindy: Bigby. Not because she can't cope but because she's practical about these things and the World Eater needs to be stopped before it can add onto the problems back at home.
So what does Cesare think are the major errors that lead to his untimely end?
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The second mistake was attempting to make a bargain with Rovere. That backfired pretty quickly and got him imprisoned in Spain. Again, this is more ill-fortune than anything, because technically he had been able to help orchestrate the election of a different pope in between Rodrigo's death and this, but the man died very soon after, before he was able to reassert control. Machiavelli talks about these first two as the main reasons for Cesare's downfall.
The third mistake was actually dying in Navarra, just when he was free again and trying to put new plans into motion.
There are certainly other things along the way that he would like to fix, but these are the ones he's obsessing about the most. That and, like I said, Juan's death because that was a really pivotal moment and it changed the situation a lot.
Your characters together on a roadtrip, go~
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